In your experience, do you find that most Korean guys are tops? It seems many don't prefer to be bottoms at all... Just curious.

I find most oriental guys are bottom

about the Korean guys? well I wouldn't know since I haven't slept with a Korean guy yet. And even so, I couldn't not just say that "most" Korean guys are tops even if maybe I only slept with at least 10 of them.

"most oriental guys are bottom" --> for this one I find it absurd since again, we cannot say that most of them are bottom. With all the guys I have slept with, I can say that about 50% are top, 40% are versa, 10% are bottom. But still that is for my case, I wouldn't know about others.

If dolphinboy would state that "I find most oriental guys are bottom" probably it is because most of his encounters are with "bottom" guys. Basically, if you are top, wouldn't you look for someone who is "bottom" and viceversa?

I am versa and in that sense I don't have a problem about finding a partner since I can be both which gives me an advantage. I have a friend (a top) who also pointed that out as it makes it easier for versa guys to find partners. For him, finding guys that will play "bottom" is really like looking for some treasure chest.

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do you find that most Korean guys are tops?

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I find most oriental guys are bottom

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finding guys that will play "bottom" is really like looking for some treasure chest.

These generalizations based on a 'one person's first or thirteenth post' are simply ridiculous.

The title of this thread is less insulting than preposterous.

Having said that, I have no doubt that this thread will take off like no other, with lots of new members volunteering opinions in defense or against so-called Mr. "Justmetoday".

Enjoy!

KF

I found too most oriental guys are bottom.

Logically I would say where there are tops there are bottoms.

I may be missing the point slightly, but, isn't the term "oriental" considered offensive in some areas? Or am I just overly sensitive

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isn't the term "oriental" considered offensive

Yes, Mat, but dolphinboy is British...

"Asian" is politically-correct. Oriental is acceptable when applied to 'art'or 'studies'.

It is sad because 'oriental' is a nice word and a good match for 'occidental', which has given way to the ugly term "westerner".

Are most occidental guys tops?

KF

Hm I don't really understand why the term oriental would be offensive all of a sudden. I've read that it's because it comes from a Western-centric point of view but what does geography really have to do with anything? It just means "eastern."

On topic, I don't see how sexual positioning preferences can be attributed to an entire ethnicity or race. Unless the topic title wasn't really meant to be literal so much as a rant that TC can't find any Korean bottoms. Hm.

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Hi. I saw your message at jguyusguy, and thought that you sound intelligent, which is refreshing at this site. I often here alot of crap view points.

Most members can spell, anyway.

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Um, dolphinboy, isn't the term "Oriental" both incredibly offensive and phased out? My friend in New York got his manager fired for using such a term in the workplace. I'm sure more than one guy was probably pissed off by what you said.

You'd think New Yorkers had better things to do than get riled about wording as innocuous as that. If occidental is OK, what the hell's wrong with oriental? I'm afraid I don't just get that at all. We still call this part of the world the Orient. And why should it be acceptable in the UK and not in the States, by the way?

I like the way oriental sounds. It has nuance, charm, color, flavor, romance, dignity. Even in some instances a dash of the dreamy.

To find more about



in popular US culture...

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"the persistent notion that people of Asian ancestry are not real Americans, that "Orientals" never really stop being loyal to a foreign homeland, no matter how long they or their families have been in this country. Confronting the cultural stereotypes that have been attached to Asian-Americans over the last 150 years, Robert G. Lee seizes the label "Oriental" and asks where it came from."

There is also "Thinking Orientals" by Henry Yu.

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"What is the difference between an "Oriental" and an "Asian American?" Henry Yu explains how Chinese Americans and Japanese Americans came to be lumped together as "Orientals" in the United States"

KF

In the UK, the term 'Asian' to most people means ' Indian, Bangladeshi or Pakistani', or of such descent. Regardless of whether or not it's offensive to use 'oriental' - and I do think there's a case for saying that it is - most people would never imagine you meant Japanese, Korean and Chinese if you used the term 'Asian'. If you said you liked Asian food, people would assume you meant Indian food. You'd have to say 'oriental food' to distinguish - not that we should liken food and people, of course. Nevertheless, every Chinese, Japanese or Korean gay men I have come across in the UK refers to himself, if at all, as 'oriental'. A cursory glance at online profiles on sites like Gaydar and Gay.com will illustrate my point - names such as 'oriental-baby', 'oriental-cheeks', 'oriental-top', 'oriental-for-you' etc. etc. My gay Japanese friend here always refers to himself as 'oriental' and uses 'Asian' to mean Indian, Pakistani or Bangladeshi.

To answer the OP's question: in my experience, but it's only my experience, most Japanese men have been passive, and every Korean and Chinese guy top.

I was in Canada last week and a Canadian guy I met told me that, in his experience, most Brits were bottom. What can you say??

I was at a cocktail party recently and someone used the word "oriental." The entire room went silent for a second or two and then in unison, as if on cue, the horrified chorus exclaimed, "Oriental?!?!" The accused was a newly arrived Brit.

This is only my experience in San Francisco, ok? but what I notice is that "Asian" is a white people construct. My Japanese friends only use the word to describe certain unsavory aspects of rice queens and never, ever to refer to themselves. Former JBF, on occasion that I transgressed, was quick to correct me, "Do not call me Asian, I'm Japanese." Likewise, my Chinese, Vietnamese, etc. friends never say "that Asian guy," but instead "that Taiwanese guy" or that "Japanese girl," etc. They do, however, lump us all as "white guys."

This is what I think: in the USA San Francisco is the least racist place I've ever been, but it's still so fucking racist it's unblievable.

Further, to generalize that an entire nation or continent as a whole is 'top' or 'bottom' is ludicrous, laughable....

But wait. All my Japanese friends are bottoms. Yuki, Kaz, Daiske, Katsu, Masato, Kento, Hiro1, Hiro2, Hiro3...and they're all very cute. When I went to Japan I was shocked: unattractive guys, top guys, even straight guys.

Maybe we see what we want to see.

If you value your life don't call me "that American guy."

KF, I'd say that typeface on that book is itself far more of a pregnant statement than the word it spells.

Kimball, your former BF was at least being honest with you about his sentiments towards his fellow Asians: Japanese, as if they were born a nation without mirrors, often imagine themselves to be outside of the realm of Asian, which they tend to feel has an unappealing ring of squalor to it. He'd probably feel very much at home at an Ishihara Shintaro fund raiser. It's odd, since Japan is indeed at the very end of Asia and historically had been a kind of stewing pot for the various cultures and philosophies that have flown over the centuries from the west eastward.

But I digress and risk being wrist-slapped for going off topic here, for which I apologize.

Oh yes - I spent six long months in Seoul once and I didn't come across any tops at all.

last weekend i was in a very versatile mood but knowing how difficult it is to find other versatile guys i posted two ads on craigslist, one for an asian bottom and one for an asian top, pondering if i'd change the sheets between encounters. some so-so replies came from bottoms but, to my surprise, the top emails came flooding in, and really hot guys.

one of my regulars emailed me, so i had him over, but anyway, my 2 cents on the topic.

Not sure about this but it could be that topness is associated with manliness in Korean culture. See the movie stills in these various Naked Tokyo posts, for example:
http://nakedtokyo.blogspot.com/search?q=korean

HI guys,
Just thought I'd put in my two cents worth. Not sure about Korean guys in particular, but in my experience, most of the Asian guys I've spoken to about the topic are either top or versatile... One of the most "feminine" Japanese guys I know is a raging top. I suppose you can generalize all you like, but I'm guessing Asian guys are just like any other race... If there's a top, somewhere there must be a bottom...
Just for the record, my ex-boyfriend (Japanese) hated anal sex altogether! So it takes all kinds I guess...

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One of the most "feminine" Japanese guys I know is a raging top.

Yes, there's no reason to doubt that there is no real correlation between masculinity and topness. Right. I'm still guessing that there may be some cultures in which there is the (mistaken but widespread) belief that there is some correlation. This is from discussion with guys I've met during time off on business trips to Pusan. (Please don't ask me more about those trips. Hehe.)

Aren't some things better left unanswered? Anyways from what I know,the generalization of most Korean gays being top is not true. Just a trip to the local sauna can give you a clear picture. But on the other hand it might be of interest to relate Korean men being versatile to the fact that most plan to marry a woman and have babies eventually. So sometimes just get on top to get a proper practice of what lies ahead.