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To confess something strange to you, and I hope you will not be upset...

ちょっとおかしなことを君に白状しますが、気を悪くしないでください。


Dear KF-san,

I wonder why you thought your story would upset me. You didn't write anything offensive. I hope you are all right.

Totally off topic, but I also tell you my personal story.

I've never met any very storong homophobic Japanese guy, either. Most of my straight friends know that I'm gay and they are still good friends. One of my straight male friends once even told me that he had a sort of desire to make love with a man he really adores. (He talked about a musician. He is a singer.)

The most homophobic person I knew was my mother. She used to make nasty comments on gay people, but once I came out she said that she would try to understand it and that it would be impossible for her to hate me just because I'm gay or no matter what happened. So far I've never experienced any rejection after I confessed that I was gay.

Strangely, the more people have accepted who I am, the more frightening it becomes to come out. There used to be no straight folks who know I'm gay and still like me, but now there are many. Coming out has brought only good things and nothing bad in my life. Now I just don't want to directly face the fact that there are homophobias in my contry, too. However, I still hear once in a while mockery of gay people. In Tokyo a homophobic racist, ISHIHARA Sintaro is chosen as mayor. I used to be ready for standing up for myself if I was attacked because of being gay, but acceptance, understanding, generocity, and kindness of many friends and family has made me much more a coward than I used to be.

KFさんへ

どうして私が気を悪くすると思われたのでしょうか? 何も不快なことかいてないのに。大丈夫ですよね?

このスレッド趣旨から外れますが、私も自分の体験を話します。

私も強烈なホモフォビアの日本人には会ったっことありません。ストレートの友達はほぼ皆僕がゲイだということを知っていますが、それでもみんな良い友達です。歌を歌っているの友達が一人いるのですが、彼は尊敬するミュージシャンになら抱かれたいという願望があると話してくれたことがあります。

知り合いの中でゲイ嫌いが最もひどかったのは母親です。母はゲイの人に対してひどい発言をよくしていました。でも私が彼女にカミングアウトしたら、理解するように努めるし、そんなことで私を嫌いにはなることなんてできるわけがないし、何が起こっても嫌いになることなんてないと言ってくれました。今のところゲイだと告白したら拒絶されたという経験をしたことがありません。

どういうわけかゲイである自分がより多くの人に受け入れられれば受け入れられるほど、カミングアウトするのはより怖く感じるようになりました。以前は私がゲイだと知った上で仲のよかった人が一人もいなかったのですが、今はたくさんいます。カミングアウトすることで得たものはたくさんありますが、失ったものはありませんでした。今や日本にもゲイ嫌いがいると思いたくなくなったのです。でも同性愛者を馬鹿にした発言はときどき耳にします。東京じゃホモ嫌いの差別主義者が石原慎太郎が市長をしてます。ゲイであることで嫌な思いをさせられたら立ち向かおうと以前は思っていたのですが、友達や家族が受け入れて理解してくれて、寛大で親切でいてくれたから、すっかり臆病になってしまいました。
 
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Thank you for your great translation, Junfu-san.

I was sad, last night, because Letsgay was being kicked out of the site in spite of his good qualities. Sad also because there is so much lying on the Internet. If it is so easy to lie about one's age, then who -what- can we trust, even on this site?

Then I realized that I live a lie, also, in the closet, always having to keep a facade outside and rushing home to be "KF" online, the real me, with you all. As KF, I feel safe and true to myself. That is why you see so much of me on JguyUSguy.

I admire you, Junfu, but also Kimball, CarlosJuanito and all those of you who have chosen truth over lie.

Flower

KF

訳してくれてありがとうJunfuさん。

昨日悲しかったのはLetsgayがいい人だったのに追い出されることになってしまったからです。またネット上にはたくさんの嘘があふれていることも悲しいです。自分の年をごまかすのがそんなに簡単なら、いったい誰を、何を例えこのサイト上においてでさえ信頼できるのでしょうか?

そしたら私も嘘に生きていることに気づきました。私は外ではゲイであることを公表してませんから、見かけを取り繕いそしてオンラインで本来の自分、「KF」になりここにいる皆さんと接するためにさっさと家に足を運んでいます。KFとして私は安心して自分をさらけ出せるのです。だから私はJguyUSguyに常駐しているのです。

Junfu、君を,またKimball, CarlosJuanitoそして嘘より真実を選択して生きている皆さんを私は尊敬しています。

Flower

KF
 
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Junfuさん、毎回すばらしい翻訳をいただき、誠に有難うございます!

Junfu, thank you for you superb translation every time!

KF
 
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Junfu, your account of coming out impressed me deeply. It must have been very hard telling your mother.

Lahdeedah is another member who told us he is out. He also mentioned some difficulties in doing so, but has no regrets either.

It seems that once you are out of the closet, you never want to go back in, but for us still inside, having a "double" life is not all that negative...

I am thinking of starting another bilingual thread on coming out... unless you wish to initiate it yourself, Junfu, since you brought the topic up, and you are the 先輩, (senpai/senior) in that area also!

Is it a good idea? What do you think?

KF

Junfu、君のカミングアウトの話は深く印象に残りました。お母さんに告げるのはさぞ大変だったことでしょう。

Lahdeedahもゲイだと公表しているそうで、そうすることの難しさを語っていましたが、後悔はしていないとも言っていました。

いったんゲイであることを公表すると、また隠れた生活をしたくはなくのでしょう。しかしまだゲイであることを隠して生きている私たちにとって、「二重」生活をすることはそんなに悪いことばかりでもありません...

カミングアウトについて語るバイリンガルスレッドを立ち上げようかと考えています...もしJunfu、君が自分ではじめる気がなかったらですが。君がトピックを持ち出したし、この分野に関しては私の先輩ですから。

いい考えでしょうか?どう思います?
 
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i think that is a good idea - coming out to your family.. being the eldest it was hard. it was also hard since i live in a small community and everyone knows everyone.

i even taught theater to kids so being a catholic, i dont know how the parents will react once they found out that i am gay...

but something had happened ...

to be continued...

いい考えだと思う。家族へカミングアウト。長男なんで難しい。また皆が顔見知りの小さな社会に住んでいるからさらに難しい。

もろにカトリックな子供たちに演劇を教えてもいるから、もし親たちが俺がゲイだとわかったらどうなるか見当がつかない。

でもあることが起こってしまった。

続く...

 
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Thank you for starting an interesting new bilingual thread... and in such a clever way!

I hope many members will join us on it.

Congratulations!

KF

新しくて、面白いバイリンガルスレッドthreadを作ってくれてありがとう。しかも、巧みな持ち出しかたで。

多くの人が参加してくれたらいいね。

おめでとう!
 
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ポイントはJguysが日本語だけでポストを書いても結構で、「外guys」が英語だけでも結構です。

両言語で同時にポストを書く必要がまったくありません。

Junfuさんが彼のすばらしい能力で、私がささやかでありながら出来るだけ皆様の力になり、翻訳をさせていただきます。

Bilingual thread ではなく、2-language thread, すなわち日本語と英語の「平等共存」スレッドです!

皆様、ご自分の一番「得意」なお言葉でご参加ください! This is the Japanese OR English Thread!

よろしくお願いします。

There is absolutely no need to be bilingual nor to post in two languages on this thread. Contribute in English, and Junfu will translate into perfect Japanese. Post in Japanese, and I will try and do my best to translate your comments into passable English or adequate French... not that there is much demand for the latter language!

This is NOT a bilingual thread but a 2-LANGUAGE thread. Separate but co-existing equally.

Please contribute to the "2-language threads" in whatever language you want, but please don't let the "bilingual" thing discourage you!

KF

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i used to "have sex" with my bed since i was a very little boy.. i think 8-9.. then i had a non-conscious sex game with a friend who lived near me when i was 10 and he was 9.. whe played "titanic" and i was LEONARDO DI CAPRIO and he was KATE WINSLET. We played the sex scenes getting naked and touching and pushing our body on the other's. I masturbated the firs time when i Was 11. A friend of my brother - 13 yo - told me what it was and told me to do it. I did the same day - getting really excited because i was thinking at him - and I eiaculated a little. I used to do it every single day, one or twice. I started to do jerk off-group session with 3 friend, then when i was 12 i sucked my first cock to my cousin who was 15 and the first time i've been penetrated i was 13. It was a 20 yo friend of my oldest brother.

小さいころからベッドとエッチしてました。8歳か9歳だったと思う。それから近くに住んでいた友達とあまり意識せずにセックスゲームをしていました。僕が10歳で友達は9歳の子とです。タイタニック遊びをしていました。僕がレオナルド・ディカプリオで彼がケイト・ウィンスローの役をやっていました。セックスのシーンを演じ、裸になってお互いの体を触り押しあっていました。11歳のときに始めてオナニーをしました。兄の友達で13才だった人にオナニーを教えられ、やるように言われました。同じ日にやりました-その人のことを考えていてすごく興奮してた-そして少し射精をしました。毎日毎日一度か二度オナニーしていました。オナニーしあいっこを3人の友達とそのうちに始め、12歳のときに始めてちんちんをしゃぶりました。15歳の従兄弟のちんちんです。始めて入れられたのは13歳のときです。一番上の兄の友達の20歳の人が相手でした。

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私の男性との初体験は私が18歳のときでした。相手は元アナウンサーです。彼の荷物持ちのアルバイトをしていて目をつけられました。部屋で2人きりになったとき、強引に押さえ込まれて手でいかされました。

終わった後、彼は「もうこんなことしちゃダメだよ」とまるで私が誘ったかのように言いました。もう20年以上前の事ですが、いまでも彼がTVで司会をしているのを見かけるとすこし腹が立ちます。 01

しかし、私のおしりは今でも「バージン」です。(一方通行)


I was 18 when I had my first sex with a man. He was a anchor person. I worked part-time for him carrying his luggadge and he hit on me. When we were alone in a room, he pinned me and jerked me off.

After that, he told me never to do that again as if I had seduced him. It was more than 20 years ago, but it is still a litte irritating to see him host some TV shows. 01

However, I still have my virgin ass. (a one-way route)


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I was 10 or 11 when i first had sex with another boy, we used justo show eachoter our dicks and then one day he dared me to suck him off and I did, after that we did it every chance we got, I would suck him and he would suck me. I firsta came when I was 12 and it was he who made me cum, I thought that it was weird and wondeful at the same time to see the seamen come out of my dick.we did it for about a year and then one of my older friends saw us and made both of us suck him off and that was when ai was first penetratedhe was 17 and told me taht it would feel great, It didnt it hurt a lot but he did not stop til he came inside me. my first encounter wit anal sex was not a pleasant one but later on it became so much more enjoyable

男の子と始めてセックスしたのは10歳か11歳の頃でした。最初はただちんちんを見せあってただけでしたが、その子がある日しゃぶるように挑発してきて、しゃぶりました。その後は機会あるごとにお互いをしゃぶりあいました。始めて射精したのは12歳の時で、イかせてくれたのはその男の子です。精子がちんちんから出てくるのを見るのは奇妙な感じがしましたが、感銘も受けました。その子とは一年程そうした行為をしていました。そして私たちを見た年上の友達が私たち二人に彼のものをしゃぶらせました。その時に始めてお尻に挿入されました。彼は17歳で、「気持ちいいから」と言ってましたが、そんなわけあるはずもなく、すごく痛かった。しかも、私の中でイくまでやめてくれなかった。最初のアナルセックスは気持ちよくなかったけど、後にめちゃくちゃ楽しめるようになりました。

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Nice story. I had a simular one with an older guy when I was 13...I was sharing a tent with him at a scout campout. He was around 40yo and at night he would talk to me about sex. He started to feel me..felt great, then showed me his cock...I loved the feel and taste of it and his precum. We did this for 3 nights and he let me fuck him each time...I have since had the experience of teaching other younger guys like I was tought.

面白い話だね。13歳の時に同じようなことを年上の人としたよ。その人とは、ボーイスカウトのキャンプ生活で、テントが一緒でした。40歳ぐらいの人で、夜、セックスの話をしてきた。そして私を触ってきた...気持ちよかった。それからちんちんを見せてきた...そのちんちんと我慢汁の感触や味は最高だった。三日三晩これを繰り返し、毎回掘らさせてもらった...その後、若い男の子に自分が教えられたのと同じように教えることがあった。

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well I started to jo when I was 7 or 8yo, with a girlfriend of mine, named Olivia!!! We used to do it every day during lunch breaktime in the school park (huge one) behind a wall... Then I started to jo with boys around 10, and had some fun during summer vacation with a one year older cousin of mine (now married with children, but I can tell u that when we met years after games for his marriage, he remembered as vividly as me what we used to do together, his eyes were "sparkling" whenever we were talking...)... But we didn't cum at the time...
When I was 12 I had my first real masturbation staff with an older man (about 40)... And I clearly remember that I was the one trying to seduce him... And was so excited touching his huge dick (especially compared to one of a 12yo boy), during the same summer vacations I also started to play with my, at the time, best friend at night... We were some kind of "knights" fighting against each other with our... swords... then we started some kind of "Truth or dare"... u can imagine... But still we didn't cum...
Actually I must say I don't remember the 1st time i came... maybe 13 or 14... Then the 1st time I had "real sex" (meaning knowing what I was doing really) I was 15, still during summer vacations. I was on the beach with my father and step mother (bitchy one...) and I was sooooo excited because one part of the loooong beach was nudist style... So I was taking some walk by myself sometimes, just to enjoy the nice manly naked tanned bodies... Then a guy spoted me (in his late 20s) and we ended up in the bushes...
I came out to my mother at the age 17 (I didn't had much choice, since I was expelled from my boarding school, where I had "taught" some things to some of my mates, but where it also ended up a bit confused, because some of them - as usual - tend to think it was "all my fault"...). Then it took me one more year to be able to spit it to my father... And ever since, I never regretted it... I'm not coming out to everyone around me, but I tend to speak out to people I think close to me... And since I started, I never had trouble... The only "bad thing" that happen is that some "friends" disappeared after a while... meaning they were no friends really...
since I live in Japan, also, I never had bad experiences telling japanese friends about me...
Sorry I'm not able to translate that into japanese...
 
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My first time was part of a batsu game. I was living in Hokkaido and my very straight (ha ha) best friend and I grew very close. We would spend a lot of time together and regularly sleep around at each others apartments - usually with our futons next to each other.

Anyway we'd got past the being naked in front of each other stage of friendship and one night started palying a batsu game..that started with Dekoping (a kind of flick to the forehead batsu) and ended up using a candle to drip wax first on hands, and then arses. It didn't take too long from there...

My friend is married with a child now - but we had this intense pseudo relationship for a while. I'm kinda thinking the 'straight' boy having sex with friend is not the unusual phenonomen I thought it was at the time...

私は罰ゲームで初体験をすることになりました。北海道に住んでいた時、バリバリのノンケ(笑)だった親友とすごく親しくなりました。たくさんの時間を一緒に過ごし、定期的にお互いの家に泊まりあいし、だいたいはお互いの布団を並べあって寝てました。

ともかく、お互い相手の前で裸になる段階を超えた友情を育んでました。そしてある夜、罰ゲームをすることになりました...でこピンから始まり、最後にはキャンドルの蝋を最初は相手の手に、そしてお尻に垂らすまで発展しました。そこからはすぐでした...

その友人は今は結婚して子供もいます。でもしばらくの間、私と情熱的な擬似的関係にありました。今は「ノンケ」の男の子が友達とエッチするというのは当時思っていたほど特別なことではないように思ってます。


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I'm kinda thinking the 'straight' boy having sex with friend is not the unusual phenonomen I thought it was at the time...今は「ノンケ」の男の子が友達とエッチするというのは当時思っていたほど特別なことではないように思ってます。
My first sexual experience with a Jguy was very similar to yours, Jerome.

He is also married now, with two kids.

I mentioned him somewhere before. He is the one who had sex with me only because, he said, he knew that it was what I wanted and we were friends...

For you, just like for me, it was an intense relationship. I wouldn't call it 'pseudo' though. It was sincere and loving in its own way.

'Extreme' friendship? Indeed, not so unusual in Japan.

KF

私の初めての日本人男性との性体験は君の経験とすごく似ています。以前にもどこかでその人のことを話したことがあります。私と寝たのは、それが私の望んでいることだと分かっていたからだけと言った男性のことです。私達は友達でした...

私にとっては、君にとってそうだったように、それは情熱的な関係でした。それに擬似的とは思いません。それはそれとして偽りのない誠実なものでした。

「最高の」親友?事実、日本ではそれほど珍しいことではありません。



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