i am asian,i like all types of frens,sometime i go to clubs i see there asian avoide asian, only few number there asian couple i think ,just i want to know why asian become crazy with white and black guys?? its for sex? relationship? or any .....i meet many white and black guys who are really frendly wid asians ,but asian(not all) why hate asian and going to die for ....them...

Hi! I dont quite really know to properly approach your situation in a manner that it would not offend you. All I can say is frustrations are part and parcel of the daily life we all live in. It will all passed as you become more mature. Remember....beyond the dark horizon lies a clear blue skies! And it will always be up to you to make the most of your life.

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Originally posted by just4_2night:
i see there asian avoide asian.

Only Asians can tell you why, but I can assure you that many Caucasians avoid one another too.

The reason I do not venture out into the gay world in Tokyo is that I am totally turned off by white skin!

KF

I guess one reason you don's see many Asian (or Japanese) couples is that the kind of guys who go to "gaisen" bars and clubs are expecting to meet guys of other races. If you go to non-gaisen bars, you will see a lot of Japanese who want to hang out with other Japanese or Asians. Maybe you can go to those bars and sing karaoke. It's so much fun!

wd

HI! Now I think that is a very nice idea to try.

good luck

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Originally posted by Working Dog:
Maybe you can go to those bars and sing karaoke. It's so much fun!

I was under the impression that 一見さん　(ichigen-san/ first-time customers) -especially foreigners- were not welcome there unless introduced by a regular patron.

KF

Just great! Another form of let down for some disillusioned guy! This time I am saying I am sorry if ever I have offended thee..?

If I may be allowed to inquire, Arnel, what has been your experience with Japan and Jguys?

I ask the question within the context of this thread.

KF

It is just a spur of the moment comment comming from me. I remember you are one good at giving advices and one member of the group, a much older member gave an advice that sometimes all but a person need is a bit of hope and we must not deprive him of that. I surely hope see and hear from him again. Sassoka desuga. Jitsu wa. Daisuke desu. There no need to be testy or am I making a fool of myself again. Moushiwake arimasen.

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am I making a fool of myself

Absolutely not. Your words were very wise.

Although I will live to regret agreeing with Matthew (since we disagree on politics all the time), I think he is spot on with his reply.

A very big thanks to both of you guys! But credit is due to the wise person who originally gave me the advice. The fact that his name is not present on the roster of members seems he might have cancelled already! And I am musing on meeting him again here on the forum. And also I have quite two things on my mind ....not offending KF since he is the main reason I why I begun renewing my ties with the group and two had I offended him more by writing the japanese phrases. I surely hope not. And before I forget...Tom! I have e-mailed you thrice and no response. thanks.....Matthew! And hold on to your dreams to the guy(borther) who originally posted this thread!

in japan dats may experiance wid asians so, i just wann.. know dat all of u thanks for post lil bit i understand about japan and japanes...hope get more knoledgw in future...thanks all of u guys...

.......don't mention it.......instead enjoy life to the fullest! You sure look like one happy go lucky fellow!

i've got to comment here

racism is racism no matter how much you couch it in "like" and "dislike" and try to make it sound better...

AND

"I am totally turned off by white skin!"
is one of the most horrifying things i've read in a long time.

dissapointed. dissapointed.

i know that gay people feel they must insert themselves into certain roles because it makes the world easier to understand...(and this is more difficult for us because we fall outside of the traditional gender/sexual roles) but when a gay man or a straight man says "i only like X." it sounds ignorant.

I will proudly say, now, that I like the person and, um, not the color of their skin nor the shape of their eyes (i've actually seen ads on sites like this saying "single fold eyelids only" or some such nonsense). we all have our desires, but part of being a mature citizen of the world is to fight the worst parts of ourselves.

why not, instead of making this a race issue,make it an issue of style or culture which is much more humane. OR we aren't talking about attraction but a FETISH. if you say: "i am only attracted to asian people" that is a fetish and should be regarded as such...but a racist fetish.

<3
boredofxenophobiaandapathy

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Originally posted by boredinshonan:
"I am totally turned off by white skin!"
is one of the most horrifying things i've read in a long time.

Just yesterday, at noon, I was walking in the underground concourse of Tokyo International Forum and suddenly thought to myself how lucky I was not to be a pedophile.

I feel so sorry for pedophiles, because although there is no accounting for taste, theirs hurts the object of their desire, and that cannot be permitted.

As for me, sex with white caucasian males? No, I can't. With white women? Yes, I can and have.

It is my taste. I cannot control it, but so long as I do not hurt anyone... can't I be forgiven?

If my partiality is horrifying in your eyes, Boredinshonan, I apologize for disappointing you.



KF

PS. Arnel. You know I like you, welcomed you to the site when you joined in forum discussions, and have always been on your side. Your Japanese is just fine... I just wanted to know a little about your love for Jguys, what experiences you have had with them... because you don't reveal very much!

I think I've become over-sensitive to this since coming to Japan. I know that part of this stems from, well, some people not being able to fully articulate their views... though this isn't a problem for you KF, obviously.
(THOUGH you don't mean "white skin" you mean "european" or "caucasian," right?white skin is not descriptive--what color, then, is your skin? Skin color varies in all people regardless of ethnicity... So there are "black" people who have skin "whiter" than mine)

Anyway, I am glad to hear that you aren't racist.. though, I still consider that close minded. I know that I, myself am close minded as well--to be fair. I respond badly to men who are too "butch" or too "femme." I know this is a problem that I have...so I try to fight it and remain open.

(sheesh, I MUST be bored...i responded so quickly...)

Perhaps KF meant is what I feel - I shorthand my general lack of sexual interest in other white men by saying I don't date whites...although I am very attracted to alabaster Japanese and their Continental brethren. Because I am, for instance, American, I don't find many of them who keep my interest; I also have lived so long away from other Americans that my experience as an ALIEN can rarely be understood by others who have not had a similar stretch of trips around the Sun.

Or, maybe it is just that "beautiful golden brown" skin, as my 4-year-old Cambodian nephew refers to himself?

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Originally posted by Bricolage:
maybe it is just that "beautiful golden brown" skin, as my 4-year-old Cambodian nephew refers to himself?

That is very sweet!

I hope your nephew remains proud of his skin for the rest of his life.

In my case, it is not really the color of the skin of Caucasians that puts me off but the feeling of committing incest. I can only describe it that way. It is not logical, because I find some "white" men in porn very attractive, but in real life there is a strange reflex that blocks me and puts me off them. I cannot control it.

Could that explain why some asians also dislike other asians?

KF

Just4_2night, thank you for starting this most interesting thread.

Although the current research in this area doesn't look at gay & lesbian unions, there are scholars who are trying to understand what drives racial preferences:

A survey by Mills, Daly, Longmore and Kilbridge (1995) suggests that both men and women hold negative attitudes towards interracial relationships, but that women are significantly less accepting of interracial romantic relationships than men are.

South (1991) reports that blacks and Hispanics are more willing to marry someone of another race than whites are.

And this one really caught my eye:

Mok (1999) reports a negative correlation between own-race population density in respondents’ place of origin and the likelihood of self-reported interracial dating. (I couldn't track down the article. Can anyone explain it to me?)

Another of note is Racial Preferences in Dating, published in the Review of Economic studies of all places.

The authors looked at subjects at Columbia University in the United States. (I would guess that because America has a reasonably good sample of a multiplicity of races and ethnicities, it is an adequate "laboratory" for this kind of research.) In their introduction, the authors noted

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Interracial marriages in the U.S. are quite rare. The 2000 Census reveals that among married blacks, 94% are married to other blacks.

Members of other races are also unlikely to marry outside of their own group. A mere 4% of marriages in the U.S. are between partners of different race.

However, this does not necessarily imply an underlying preference for spouses of the same race: a final match (i.e. a marriage) is the outcome of a search process that involves both finding and choosing a mate.

Some interesting findings include:

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First, we observe a strong asymmetry across genders in racial preferences: women of all races exhibit strong same-race preferences, while men of no race exhibit a statistically significant same-race preference.

We also find that subjects’ backgrounds strongly influence their racial preferences. First, we considered subjects’ state or country of origin, based on responses to questions in the General Social Survey (GSS) (for the subjects from the U.S.) and the World Values Survey (WVS) (for non-U.S. subjects). Subjects that come from intolerant places reveal stronger same-race preferences.
We also consider the effect of early exposure to other races.

Their controlled experiment centered around speed dating They found

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Nonetheless, 47% of all matches in our data are interracial. While this is significantly below random matching, it is still far above the 4% of interracial marriages observed in the Census data.

Our subject pool seems far more tolerant than society at large. This is unsurprising. First, they are highly educated, and prior survey-based research finds that same-race preferences are negatively correlated with education.

I don't know what conclusions you want to draw from this, but they also provocatively noted that among the female responses, there is a greater preference against (interracial coupling with) Asian males by all other races.

Also,they noted

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(Among female responses) For male partners, our main finding is that Asians generally receive lower ratings than men of other races.

In fact, when we run the regressions separately for each race, we find that even Asian women find white, black, and Hispanic men to be more attractive than Asian men.

And finally, they also tried to factor in things like attractiveness and things the participants had in common. They noted

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attractiveness may play an important role in the determination of racial preferences, especially those against Asian men. We find even Asian men find white, black, and Hispanic women to be more attractive than Asian women.

(Insert your own theory of how racism creates self loathing here.... )

They conclude same-race pairings are the result of preferences rather than exposure to dating opportunities .

You don't have to agree with their findings. It is just one study. But if I understand their findings correctly, there is empirical evidence for Just4_2night's frustration.

Hey, I'll be honest. I have an Asian fetish and I'd also be in the group with KF who has an almost incestuous turn-off with caucasians. How did that happen with a midwesterner who grew up in a tiny town with no people of color anywhere around?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it might be something energetic and something I at least pick up or feel from the other people intuitively. Maybe it's something cultural we just sense. I find this especially true of my behavior when I am in Japan. All my PC training says not to judge someone by his looks, but when I see a Caucasian on the street in Japan, I get a feeling about him right away. 90% of the time I am turned off by what I am sensing that person is about.

Have you heard of body psychology? People hold their bodies in definite patterns that reflect their interactions with the world. Subconcsiously we read the body language from across the street or across the bar. Most people would do this if they saw someone they felt was dangerous at a cross walk. I don't feel that caucasians are so much dangerous as they are of a closed belief system or energy to what I am enjoying or sensing in Japan or Asia. (Picture a sea anemone retracting it's tentacles.) Asians' skin/muscles and body movements represent a whole different culture and set of psychological blocks and attitudes. I feel safe and excited by them.

Oddly enough I don't feel the shutdown with Afro-Americans I encounter even though they are from the same country. Maybe it's because I don't readily recognize or read their culture in their bodies as well as I do the Caucasians.

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Originally posted by Working Dog:
I guess one reason you don's see many Asian (or Japanese) couples is that the kind of guys who go to "gaisen" bars and clubs are expecting to meet guys of other races. If you go to non-gaisen bars, you will see a lot of Japanese who want to hang out with other Japanese or Asians. Maybe you can go to those bars and sing karaoke. It's so much fun!

wd

aaahhhh SO LOGICAL

I think terms such as racist are so out of place they need to be deleted by moderators. Sexuality is a very complex issue - and the fact that KF isn't turned on by white guys is what it is. Nothing more.

My first sexual relationiship was with a Japanese guy in Japan - and I can honestly say that generally I am only interested in North East Asians - Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese and Japanese. Its a bit restrictive to say the least. Am I being racist - no. If it ever changes I'll be more than happy to go with it.

Britsh born Chinese etc - yup absolutely within my sexuality parameters - its not a politically decision you see.

On the other point as to why asians dislike asian guys. A lot of guys dont want to be identified by race and have to be best buddies with someone because they share a skin colour. When I hang out in clubs in Tokyo or elsewhere - I'm not so interested in talking to the white guy sitting next to me. Apart from not being the reaon I'm there, he is also competition (!)

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It is my taste. I cannot control it, but so long as I do not hurt anyone... can't I be forgiven?

KF - your comment caught my eye... have you ever read On Liberty by the 19th century Scottish philosopher John Stuart Mill? His basic proposition is that "society" has no right to interfere in the life of any individual where the individual's behaviour or actions only impinge upon himself... the basis of liberal political theory... anyway, I agree with you!

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In my case, it is not really the color of the skin of Caucasians that puts me off but the feeling of committing incest. I can only describe it that way. It is not logical, because I find some "white" men in porn very attractive, but in real life there is a strange reflex that blocks me and puts me off them. I cannot control it.

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I have an Asian fetish and I'd also be in the group with KF who has an almost incestuous turn-off with caucasians.

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I can honestly say that generally I am only interested in North East Asians - Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese and Japanese.

Needless to say, I ditto KF, Treef and Jerome.

You know how we have basically three areas on the site: Personals, Discussions and Chat, right? And how often have you seen someone write in these forums, "I wish some Japanese members would tell us what they think." Our J members tend to use Chat and Personals but avoid Discussions, which is not surprising since we discuss in English practically all the time and feature lots of images of Japanese guys which of course is not so interesting to gaisen.

My (Japanese) partner once noted that there weren't enough pics of white guys in the forums, so I went ahead and started the thread "Beautiful White Guys" to see if Japanese would start posting. Of course I wasn't interested in white guys. It was just an experiment.

You know what happened? A bunch of guys called me "racist"! Red mod had to intervene and clean up the mess.

I went to Bangkok and Hong Kong with a good friend who has a white boyfriend at home. He is a chinese-american and in Bangkok he had no problem going with a thai boy but when in Hong Kong he couldn't go out with another chinese asian because he too felt like it was incest.

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Originally posted by Taddy:
My (Japanese) partner once noted that there weren't enough pics of white guys in the forums, so I went ahead and started the thread "Beautiful White Guys" to see if Japanese would start posting. Of course I wasn't interested in white guys. It was just an experiment.

You know what happened? A bunch of guys called me "racist"! Red mod had to intervene and clean up the mess.

Hmm, interesting... Taddy, can you tell me who called you "racist"? Were they white guys? Why did they think you were racist? I'm very curious.

wd

There were two or three sets of confrontations that Red moderator kindly deleted from the thread. But because he deleted them, there's no record existing. I have to go on memory...

In the two instances I recall, the guys who confronted Taddy were new to the site and didn't know our peculiar little community very well. They probably didn't know that I actually had zero interest in white guys or that I'd posted the thread only as an experiment (since caucasian erotica is about the least represented in these forums). They seemed to be Americans - politically correct Americans who thought my motive came from "white supremacy" or something. They had obviously misunderstood my intentions, and regular users came to my defense. Little brawls ensued. Red Modster pruned out those posts.

That's about all I remember. Other guys here might remember more.

Perhaps their PC rants would have been satisfied if you had posted photos of Asian and non-Asian guys doing it.

Actually, that is a good idea.

No "artistic nudes" of you and Jguy you would care to share?



Oh, and by the way, as many of you know, I moved back to the U.S. last week after living in Osaka for many years. The shrill rhetoric here regarding race, identity and all that is sometimes pretty jarring when compared to the civil discussions we have here on JguyUSguy.
However, here is a thread from modelminority.com discussing basically he same thing we are. Just FYI.

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here is a thread from modelminority.com discussing basically he same thing we are. Just FYI.

This is a great essay.

I'd like to know what Asian American guys in this community think of this essay.

wd

Sorry I'm not an Asian American guy, but I read the essay with great interest and will quote from it, below.

It's interesting to note that Rob experienced a kind of reverse culture shock. After spending so many years in our JguyUSguy cultural oasis he's found in California that "shrill rhetoric [in the States] regarding race, identity and all that is sometimes pretty jarring" when compared to the realistic, civil, nuanced discussions we have here on JguyUSguy.
[Rob, I just noticed that when I edited my post I actually edited your words in the quote above. I've moved the end-quote mark to fix that. 9:50 AM JST]

I don't want to sound too self-congratulatory. The atmosphere and attitude of our peculiar little community is the result of the focus on cross-national hookups, the participation of lots of seasoned ex-pats in Japan as well as worldly Japanese, but most of all a web spot that reflects the attitudes among young guys in Asia. I can't take credit, since my role's been relatively minor.

But JguyUSguy definitely has a culture.

Sure, we're as diverse as you can get. The old school rice and potato thing exists alongside the reality of shades of stickiness from all over East Asia, the numbers of mixed race members increasing every year, and a growing knowledge of and reverence (obsession?) for Asian culture among young Western members. There are a few politically incorrect types among us, and a few politically correct, but most of the regulars have found a happy middle ground. We celebrate race. Life is too short to spend overwhelming your mind with bitterness and suspicion and finger-pointing.

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The only Asians I saw on TV or in the movies were houseboys or nerds, and there were certainly no Asian male models in the pages of the fashion magazines my friends and I so fervently perused.

Maybe 20 years ago.

In today's film, fashion, music and advertising, in Korea, Japan and Taiwan (and even mainland China) males are sexualized to the max. Via YouTube, men worldwide are exposed to this.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=b4XQ4tao3-4

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I was astonished by how widespread it was, at just how huge a percentage of gay Asian men were attracted only to white men.

But look at how many men from Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia and Philippines have been joining JguyUSguy lately and stating in their profiles that they're seeking Japanese, Korean and Taiwanese:
http://gay-japan.infopop.cc/eve/members?user_sort_order=3

And how many Japanese are seeking black guys:
http://gay-japan.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/frm/f/9006098401

Check out NORIZOU
http://gay-japan.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8931059583/m/2961099545
Sticky!

Check out yeahyeahyeah!
http://gay-japan.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2156089991/m/6971060645
Sticky!

Play in the audio/video chat room for a few nights (Japan/Korea Time, after 10:30 every night) and you see soooo many Asian guys enjoying the company of Asian guys.

Anyone else notice the shift happening? Stickiness is in, even on JguyUSguy.

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And most of the gay white men we met were not interested in dating Asians. As in heterosexual society, Asian men were considered to be at the absolute bottom in the hierarchy of desirability.

Just the opposite on JguyUSguy.

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It seemed that the only white men who were interested in dating Asians were "rice queens" -- a non-Asian man, usually much older, who dates Asian men exclusively, with a single-minded passion bordering on fetishism and with attendant expectations of how Asians should behave. The white men who could see us as individuals and not stereotypes were few and far between, so we potato queens just took whichever potatoes came our way.

Saw much more of this ten years ago on JguyUSguy, but it's just not the mainstream anymore. Any regular user of this community can't help but notice that more and more Western users of JguyUSguy are seeking out Asian guys who are multidimensional and intellectually strong, not just pretty little flowers.

I haven't spent much time back in the States in the past decade and a half, but I suspect that race is still loaded in a way that we don't experience much in our little online oasis here.

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Originally posted by Working Dog:
This is a great essay.

I'd like to know what Asian American guys in this community think of this essay.

What's yours Working Dog? Unlike you, I am not AA but just Asian and here is my two cents.

The article was written 7 years ago based on experiences up to 8 years earlier. It is quite sensational and I don't know if it is still reflective of current times to the same extent but perhaps(?). Nevertheless it was nothing surprising from the viewpoint and experiences of an ethnic Asian author living in America. The personalities mentioned reek of zero self-esteem purportedly stemming from western domination of the media and the idealized western male but there are ironies.

While the asian male has been feminized by the media, the Chinese female kick-ass martial arts exponent has been copied from Princess Fiona in Shrek to Angelina Jolie's various cinematic roles. The first super tough Asian male superstar to break through internationally, Bruce Lee could have filled a vacuum outside the stereotypical image of the weak Asian male but he married an American woman. Did that send an unintended signal?

But movies are not reality and I think the Asian Americans typified in the article are victims of insecurities living in a testosterone obsessed land. I don't get the same signals from Asians in Asia. They seem more 'sticky' than potato queens on the whole but I guess just4_2night has had different experiences.

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Originally posted by treef:
All my PC training says not to judge someone by his looks, but when I see a Caucasian on the street in Japan, I get a feeling about him right away. 90% of the time I am turned off by what I am sensing that person is about.

I like this very revealing observation of treef and feel the same and avoid my own kind but I fall for other Asians who are different. It is not so much the feeling of incestuousness in the same but the preference of freshness in the different.

The link posted by Osakarob offers great insights into the psychology at work when dating men of one's own or other races, and how it is affected by image and geographic location.

Not being Asian American, I cannot reply to Working Dog's inquiry. Instead, here are some revealing comments that followed the article posted by Osakarob.

Guysjeep: I 'm an attractive American born Asian man, and I don't think your article applies to us American Asians. I find Asian men to be hot! I have dated hot Asian and White men, and I love it. The Asians I have dated are also American born. Perhaps the phenomenom applies to foreign born Asians more.

Jergen74: I'm an 30 year old gay Chinese guy living in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. This article is an eye-opener to me and i thank you for that. In Holland i struggle with the same problems and i think many gay asians men here do too. Problem indeed is that we don't have any rolmodels. We just don't know en don't believe that there are attractive asian gay men out there. We asians look through white male eyes and we think that other asian gays are all feminine and submisive to white male. This has to stop.(Italics mine) I don't believe that i'm the only one who can be open minded towards other asian gays. So from now on i keep my eyes open for gay asian men.

Majigei: I don't think this problem has as much to do with "desexualized" asian men as it does with the plight of the minority, or infatuation with hegemony.(Italics mine) I lived in Japan for years and the situation was exactly the opposite: foreign men were fighting and backstabbing each other for the locals. In fact, I knew not one white-white couple within the vast foreign community in Tokyo.

ROG: "To be honest, I see other Asian guys as competition," said Paul, a 28-year-old Filipino American. "I can be friends with other Asian guys, but I'll never date them." Chris, a 26-year-old Chinese American living in Philadelphia has also experienced the cold shoulder from other gay Asians. "Many of the Asian guys here don't acknowledge my existence in the bars; they see me as competition for the few white men that are attracted to Asians". Lastly, it's hard enough being gay, then to be marginalized again by being asian...then to have other asians see me as a competition or only a friend but never a date or possibly a romantic lover. it hurts.

Regarding the self-esteem of Asians, I agree with Taddy (and Nightbird) that times have changed.

Taddy: "In today's film, fashion, music and advertising, in Korea, Japan and Taiwan (and even mainland China) males are sexualized to the max. Via YouTube, men worldwide are exposed to this."

On the other hand, I think there is also some truth -even today- in what Majigei and ROG say about infatuation with hegemony, and how being part of a racial minority can make us look upon fellow members of it as "competition", whatever the race.

KF

It seems that any country's racial majority can be oblivious to the competition within any minority group. Being white in Japan, like many in these forums, I'm always reminded that I'm a member of a racial minority. Though I have no sexual interest in Westerners, I offer a friendly attitude toward fellow gaijin. Apparently that's unusual. As Majigei testifies, many Westerners in Japan seem to compete for the affections of the native majority. I've never understood why we should have to compete. After all, there's no shortage of Japanese in Japan. But, yeah, we see it all the time, don't we?

This reminds me of something a friend recently revealed to me about African-American males (in America). "We're like a bunch of live crabs" he explained, "trying to escape from a bucket, each crab pushing the other down before any can make it to the rim." It sounded plausible but I'd never thought about competition between black men. Never thought about it at all. Not because I lack sensitivity to others' concerns. And not because of lack of interracial socializing. Back home in the States I had plenty of African-American contact. I worked and studied with African Americans. I even shared a studio apartment with my best friend (black dude) in my early 20s. I think the reason I'd never noticed was simply because I was part of the white majority, and we remain ignorant of the ways that blacks treat blacks, or Asians treat Asians. We just don't notice. In fact, living in Japan as a racial minority has been a great learning experience. I'm sure others here know what I mean.

Majorities... Japanese in Japan, whites in America... I don't know whether any racial majority is aware of its own hegemonic effect on racial minorities. Oblivious also to the competitive dramas played out within any minority group.

Interesting point, KF.

Hi nightbird,

I am not Asian American. I am Japanese born in Japan, and have been living in the States last seven years. I thought the essay depicted very well the position of Asians in the gay community in the States, and was curious to know what the Asians who were born and raised in the States thought of it.

I am not sure if the situation has significantly changed compared to the time Jason Chang wrote the essay. On the one hand, I doubt that it has. Gay culture in the States is still overwhelmingly white (and bourgeois). Many people are quite ignorant about the fact that there are gay Asians. Even if they are aware of it, the belief that Asian men are effeminate and immature is still strong. When I go out, it is not unusual to get annoying questions/comments about gay Asian men and Asia.

But on the other hand, I believe the situation in California is much better compared to other parts of the States. My gay (and straight) friends from the East Coast often comment on this. They say it is much more comfortable to live in California because of the larger Asian population and because of the greater visibility of Asians in everyday life. One of my straight friends says that when he moved to California, he for the first time felt empowered as an Asian man.

wd

But, Dog, putting mainstream "overwhelmingly white (and bourgeois)" gay American males aside for a moment, what about the way Asians have viewed Asians over time? With the explosion of Asian male sexuality over the past decade there must have been some shift in the self image of Asian men.

Ya? Nah?

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Originally posted by Taddy:
But, Dog, putting mainstream "overwhelmingly white (and bourgeois)" gay American males aside for a moment, what about the way Asians have viewed Asians over time? With the explosion of Asian male sexuality over the past decade there must have been some shift in the self image of Asian men.

Ya? Nah?

Yes, I do think the ways in which Asians see themselves (or the Japanese see other Asians) are definitely changing. I am quite happy to see that Japan and Japanese people are finally paying more attention to Asia sixty years after the end of the war.

ive gone out with different races and all of them werent that bad. I wouldnt say asians dislike asians, its just that most gay asians are potato queens...desho?

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Originally posted by jbeso: most gay asians are potato queens...desho?

Those you have met up to now... maybe,

However, in Japan, the vast majority of Jgays tend to stick to their own kind, unless drunk or curious.

Rice-queens have to fight for the attention of potato queens. Needless to say that only the flawless diamonds among us, those of us rated top for our 4C's, namely, Clarity (i.e. easy to grasp mind), Color (the whiter, the better), Carat (the bigger, the better) and Cut... (the less, the better).

KF

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Originally posted by Kazuhito fan:

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Originally posted by jbeso: most gay asians are potato queens...desho?

Those you have met up to now... maybe,

However, in Japan, the vast majority of Jgays tend to stick to their own kind, unless drunk or curious.

Rice-queens have to fight for the attention of potato queens. Needless to say that only the flawless diamonds among us, those of us rated top for our 4C's, namely, Clarity (i.e. easy to grasp mind), Color (the whiter, the better), Carat (the bigger, the better) and Cut... (the less, the better).

KF

What a wonderfully succinct way of hoarding the vast majority of Asian gay men in a box and blasting them.

Each of that cohort of boxable gay Asian males seems to be more fixated on one of those four Cs than on the other three; cut, clarity, and carat are oftimes forgone for color, and color, clarity, and cut are oftimes forgone for carat.

However, I think that this mindset has metastasized to homos of other races and ethnicities as well. The topic of the original poster applies trans-racially in regards to intraracial interactions, particularly within (but not limited to) the homosexual community.

good luke!

caucasian seems unusual and challenging for me as a result i think when i got an opportunity to do something new which is safe and reasonable, i'm not hesitated to try it. moreover, meeting new freinds w/ new culture inspires many thing. however, i think there are some factors related to my gene influenting me to be attracted w/ asian guy. but the point is that i think i am more involved into asian comunity than caucasian society. frankly, there is more gossip in that comunity. that is why, many ppl avoid meeting new ppl protecting themselves from that problem and it seems like asian dislike asian or unapproachable. in my opinion, there is no diversity between both asian and caucasion but to be in a part of community , asian community,w/ peacfull asian, including me, choose some new asian freinds much more carfully than caucasian freinds.

Rice and potato queens tend to gather in places (e.g. 24-Kaikan, etc.) where bi-racial couplings are the norm.

On the other hand, just try going to most gay saunas in less gaijin-friendly areas such as Ueno, and you will easily reach the conclusion that Asians definitely like Asians, and most Jguys prefer other Jguys.

Why? Entry is denied to non-Asians.

I should know!

KF

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Originally posted by Kazuhito fan:
On the other hand, just try going to most gay saunas in less gaijin-friendly areas such as Ueno, and you will easily reach the conclusion that Asians definitely like Asians, and most Jguys prefer other Jguys.

Couldn't this be the same too in western conurbations from San Francisco to Sydney to Sitges that Caucasians will predominantly prefer their own (although this moot point veers 180 degrees off topic.) If so, we might suppose that in human nature there is a bias towards their own which puts most of us here in the minority.

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frankly, there is more gossip in that comunity. that is why, many ppl avoid meeting new ppl protecting themselves from that problem and it seems like asian dislike asian or unapproachable.

I could concur with mrfive on this but I think the Japanese are the least prone to talk about others or bitch. It is not in their nature and that I find appealing.

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Originally posted by nightbird:
I could concur with mrfive on this but I think the Japanese are the least prone to talk about others or bitch. It is not in their nature and that I find appealing.

r there any single handsome japaneses around here? i have to prove that. hehehe

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Originally posted by just4_2night:
i am asian,i like all types of frens,sometime i go to clubs i see there asian avoide asian, only few number there asian couple i think ,just i want to know why asian become crazy with white and black guys?? its for sex? relationship? or any .....i meet many white and black guys who are really frendly wid asians ,but asian(not all) why hate asian and going to die for ....them...

Hi, how are you?
I am a black person, 1m70. Although I see myself as a muscle bound person, since childhood I walk with a walking stick. If it is not inconvenient to you, lets meet and have fun.

hello thanks for post
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